On another blog, FideCogitActio, some theists of a "classical" stripe (that's to say, like Brian Davies, Edward Feser) are criticisng the Evil God Challenge (or I suppose, trying to show how it can be met, or sidestepped). The main post includes this: In book I, chapter 39 , Aquinas argues that “there cannot be evil in God” (in Deo non potest esse malum). Atheists like Law must face the fact that, if the words are to retain any sense, “God” simply cannot be “evil”. As my comments in the thread at Feser’s blog aimed to show, despite how much he mocks “the privation theory of evil,” Law himself cannot escape its logic: his entire argument requires that the world ought to appear less evil if it is to be taken as evidence of a good God. Even though he spurns the idea that evil is a privation of good, his account of an evil world is parasitic on a good ideal; this is no surprise, though, since all evil is parasitic on good ( SCG I, 11 ). Based on the conclusions of se...
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How can a society be a Christian society unless most of the people in it are Christian? Unless everyone agrees to pretend that they are Christian.
This has been another short answer to easy questions.
We alternated between RCC and Anglican in Tudor-ish times and that didn't seem to be a very happy age.
How about the Cupitt version?
-close and undiscriminating adherence to Biblical scripture? (Presumably not! the Bible is full of many awful things no society should encourage of accept)
-the cherishing of a subsection of values and attitudes displayed in the Bible, like love, kindness, consideration of the less fortunate (Yes, but then a) Christianity is not necessary for any of these values, and b) it is dubious to select only the very nicest parts of the Bible and hold them up as essentially Christian).
If we're going to accept falsehoods like Christianity for their social utility, surely we can make up a better story.
That said, the Battle of the Atkins (Anne vs Peter) should be good value.
One the one side, a renowned Oxford chemist and author, and an adroit and successful philosopher.
On the other side, an archbishop and a druid.
Priceless.
It's difficult to see what could be meant by a Christian society apart from:
1. (As Kyle said) a society in which most people are Christian. Or
2. A Christian dominated society. Either:
2a. Domination by way of indoctrinating/forcing most to assume a Christian identity or
2b. A restrictions on the laws that can passed and actions undertaken set by Christian dogma.
Without 2a. it is pretty meaningless talking about 1., it's just not going to happen. Would life be better if Everton always won? Well...yes, but that just isn't going to happen (BTW anybody got a spare for the final?)
So we are looking at 2. and that seems to me to be obviously bad. Should we put away our freedoms and subject the rule of parliament to an Archbishop Carey over-ride? Should we limit our freedom of thought (and that of our children) and subject our very consciences to an Archbishop Carey over-ride?
No doubt the Carey and Atkins would reject this analysis. (A pint says Atkins would call it a "monstrous distortion"). But what can they say they actually mean? Absent a reasonable explanation of what a non-Christian-dominated "Christian society" would look like we're entitled to assume that it means that some decisions will be removed from their current location and given to the clerics.
There's also little doubt that their main thrust will be to try and “sell” the benefits. If we're all Christian then crime will be lower, teenage pregnancy will be down, families will be more likely to stay together etc. etc. All things we want, all laid out in front of you. All you have to do is give in, let us take over. Go on, is “freedom” such a big thing to give up?
Yet, the answer has to be recorded as emphatic no, because:
(1) such a society would be based on a christian perversion of morality
(2) such a society would be guided by irrationality and superstition
Stephen, you were an oasis of reason in a sea of crud. I heard very few decent arguments in the whole hour from anyone else - mostly just non sequiturs, anecdote, assertion, begging the question, and general lack of sound arguments.
A pity you were shouted down by that priest.
What a terrible programme. Nicky Campbell seems to destroy everything he touches.
I notice again with annoyance that the programme is filled under the BBC's "Religion & Ethics" category, as if they go together.
But what if Christianity is a set of interconnected stories (some 'historical', others 'legend'), and a vast tangle of conflicting interpretations of those stories - which is pretty much what Christianity seems to be in actuality? In that case it is more like a language which can be used quite regardless of personal "belief".
Christianity then becomes the language which a society speaks. It is sometimes pointed out that a lot of poetry and writing in this country - whether by "believers" or not - draws on Christian imagery and story, and without knowing these often assumed references the important cross-references to other ideas can be missed.
Drive the mythical language of Christianity out of the public sphere and a lot of the subtlety and connectedness of our culture - which is also European and worldwide - is lost.