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Defence and development of Erik Wielenberg's argument re sceptical theism - forthcoming in Religious Studies


(revised 9 April 2014)

Sceptical theism and a lying God – Wielenberg’s argument defended and developed

Stephen Law
Department of Philosophy, Heythrop College, University of London, Kensington Square, London W5 8HX UK


Abstract: Sceptical theists attempt to block the evidential argument from evil by arguing that a key premise of that argument – that gratuitous evil exists – cannot reasonably be maintained. They argue that, for all we know, our knowledge of reasons God may have to permit such evil is radically incomplete. Thus the fact that we cannot identify reasons for God to permit the evil we observe does not allow us reasonably to conclude that no such reasons exist. In response, Erik Wielenberg has pointed out what appears to be, for many sceptical theists, an unfortunate further consequence of their position. According to Wielenberg, if sceptical theism is correct, then, similarly, the fact that we cannot identify reasons why God would lie to us does not allow us reasonably to conclude no such reasons exist. But then, for all we know, God’s word constitutes not a divine revelation but a divine lie. This paper examines sceptical theist responses to Wielenberg’s argument to date (from Segal, and McBrayer and Swenson) and develops two new Wielenberg-style arguments for the same conclusion.



Sceptical theism

Here is a simple evidential argument from evil:

If God exists, gratuitous evil does not exist
Gratuitous evil exists
Therefore, God does not exist

Gratuitous evil is evil such that there is no God-justifying reason for him to permit it. Why suppose the second premise of the above argument is true? Proponents sometimes offer a ‘noseeum inference’[1] in its support: If, after thinking hard, we cannot think of any God-justifying reason for his permitting some evil, then it is likely that no such God-justifying reason exists.

Sceptical theists attempt to block this noseeum inference. According to sceptical theism, those goods, evils, and entailment relations between them that we know of may, for all we know, constitute the unrepresentative tip of a vast, largely hidden iceberg of goods, evils and entailment relations. The latter, if they exist, will be known to an omnipotent God, and may, for all we know, justify him in allowing those evils we observe.

Thus (call this the anti-noseeum argument): If sceptical theism is true, then the fact that we cannot think of any God-justifying reason for his permitting some evil does not justify us in concluding that no such reason exists. If by inscrutable evil we mean evil for which we can discern no sufficient God-justifying reason, then what the anti-noseeum attempts to block is, in effect, the inference from inscrutable to gratuitous evil.

Analogies are often used to explain and justify the sceptical theist’s scepticism regarding the noseeum inference. The fact that we cannot detect any insects in the garage (when taking a look from the street) does not allow us justifiably to conclude that there are no insects in the garage. The fact that a chess novice cannot think of a good reason why a chess Grandmaster made a particular move does not allow the novice justifiably to conclude that no reason exists. Similarly, given our ignorance concerning the completeness of our knowledge of goods, evils, and the entailments relations between them, the fact that we can’t identify a reason that would justify God, if he exists, in permitting some evil does not allow us justifiably to conclude that no such reason exists. Thus we cannot reasonably assign any probability to the second premise of our argument from evil: neither high, nor low, nor middling. The probability remains, in this sense, inscrutable. But then our argument fails.

Wielenberg on divine lies

In his paper ‘Skeptical Theism and Divine Lies’ (2010), Erik Wielenberg points out what appears to be an interesting and, for many theists, deeply worrying, consequence of sceptical theism. If the fact that we cannot think of a divine justification for a given evil fails to justify the belief that no such justification exists, then, presumably, the fact that we can’t think of a justification for God lying to us fails to justify the belief that no such justification exists. So, if the sceptical theist is to apply their scepticism consistently, they should acknowledge that the probability that God is lying to us is similarly inscrutable. But then, according to Wielenberg, sceptical theism has the consequence that we cannot know any proposition that has word-of-God justification only. If the only reason I have for believing that p is that God asserts that p, but for all I know God is lying to me, then I do not know that p. Sceptical theism, according to Wielenberg, is thus

at odds with any religious tradition according to which there are certain claims that we can know to be true solely in virtue of the fact that God has told us they are true. (2010, 509)

Such claims appear to include, for example:

(L) All who believe in Christ will have eternal life.

A Christian who, in response to the problem of evil, expresses scepticism about our ability to discern what reasons God might have to allow some evil, but, in response to God’s utterances, fails to be similarly sceptical about our ability to discern what reasons God might have to lie to us about (L), would appear to be employing their scepticism selectively - in an inconsistent and partisan way. Once a theist employs sceptical theism to deal with the evidential problem of evil, it appears they cannot also rationally maintain belief in propositions that have word of God justification only, including (L). If, on the other hand, they drop the sceptical theism to avoid this unpalatable consequence, they again face the evidential problem of evil.

This paper examines responses made by defenders of sceptical theism to Wielenberg’s argument. To my knowledge, the only published responses are to be found in McBrayer (2010), McBrayer and Swenson (2012) and Segal (2011). I argue that all these responses either fail or else are can be sidestepped by modifying Wielenberg’s presentation of his argument, modifications I therefore recommend. I begin with Segal.

Segal’s response to Wielenberg

The sceptical theist argues that if sceptical theism is true, then we cannot know, for any existent evil, that there is not, or is unlikely to be, an adequate God-justifying reason for it. In Theism and Divine Truths (2011), Segal notes that Wielenberg presents a parallel argument for the conclusion:

LIES: If sceptical theism is true, then we do not know any proposition p which is such that the only reason we have for believing that p is God asserted that p.

As Segal points out, Wielenberg maintains that the premises of his parallel argument for LIES are at least as plausible as those of the anti-noseeum argument. Thus, concludes Wielenberg, if the sceptical theist accepts the conclusion of the anti-noseeum inference, then they should accept LIES too. In response, Segal argues that Wielenberg has not

given any argument whose premises are as plausible as the premises of the anti-noseeum argument. So sceptical theists need not choose between their argument … and their knowledge of propositions that have word-of-God justification only. They can have both. (Segal (2011), 93)

I begin by noting that the conclusion Segal draws in the above-quoted passage does not follow. Suppose Segal is correct that the premises of Wielenberg’s parallel argument are not as plausible as those of the anti-noseeum argument. Still, Wielenberg’s premises might be eminently plausible. But then Wielenberg might still have established beyond reasonable doubt that sceptical theists must indeed choose between their argument and knowledge of propositions having word-of-God justification only.

However, as we will see, Segal believes he can show not just that the premises of Wielenberg’s argument are less plausible than those of the anti-noseeum, but that some are implausible. If Segal is right about that, Wielenberg’s argument does indeed fail.

The evolution of Wielenberg’s argument

Wielenberg’s argument has evolved. Consider, to begin with, the following two-premise version presented to the 4th Philosophy of Religion conference at Baylor in 1989[2] (let ST = sceptical theism):

(i) If ST is true, then, for any given divine assertion D, we have no good reason to deny that God’s act of intentionally speaking falsely in making D has beyond-our-ken justification.
(ii) If, for any given divine assertion D, we have no good reason to deny that God’s act of intentionally speaking falsely in making D has beyond-our-ken justification, then we do not know any proposition that has word of God justification only.
(iii) Therefore, ST implies that we do not know any proposition that has word of God justification only.

As it stands, the argument faces a fairly obvious objection: even if we have no reason to deny with respect to any divine assertion that God has good reason to lie, it doesn’t follow that we cannot know any proposition that has word of God justification only. For perhaps we can still know that, even when God is justified in lying, he rarely if ever does so. Thus, even if sceptical theism is true, we might still know propositions having word-of-God justification only. Call this the Justified-But-Doesn’t-Act (JBDA) objection.

By the time it is published in ‘Skeptical Theism and Divine Lies’ (2010), Wielenberg has amended his argument to deal with the JBDA objection. The published version runs:

(1) If ST is true, then, for any divine assertion that p, we lack justification for believing that it is false or unlikely that God’s act of intentionally asserting that p when p is false has beyond-our-ken justification.
(2) If, for any divine assertion that p, we lack justification for believing that it is false or unlikely that God’s act of intentionally asserting that p when p is false has beyond-our-ken justification then we do not know p if p has word-of-God justification only (unless we have good reason for thinking that, even if God has some justification for lying about p, God doesn’t act on that justification).
(3) So, ST implies that we do not know any proposition that has word-of-God justification only (unless we have good reason for thinking that, even if God has some justification for lying, God doesn’t act on that justification).
(4) We do not have good reason for thinking that, even if God has some justification for lying, God doesn’t act on that justification.
(5) Therefore, sceptical theism implies that we do not know any proposition that has word-of-God justification only.

The above version of Wielenberg’s argument is clearly more complex than the original. It involves more premises. The second premise is also internally more complex: a parenthetical clause has been added. This additional complexity is obviously introduced in large measure to deal with the JBDA objection.

Segal (2011) considers the published version of Wielenberg’s argument ambiguous and provides two readings. Here I consider only the second reading (that which Segal considers the more likely). Segal’s presentation involves the following predicates: ‘Axp’ = x is a divine assertion that p; Lxp = x is a divine lie that p; ‘LJGx’ = there is some good g, such that if x were a divine lie, g would justify x. The argument runs:

(1b) If ST is true, then for any x and p such that Axp, we lack justification for believing that Pr(LJGx/Axp) is low.
(2b) If for any x and p such that Axp, we lack justification for believing that Pr(LJGx/Axp) is low, then for any divine assertion that p, we do not know that p if p has word-of-God justification only (unless we have good reason for thinking that, even if God has some justification for lying about p, God doesn’t act on that justification).
(3) So, if ST is true, then we do not know any proposition p that has word-of-God justification only (unless we have good reason for thinking that, even if God has some justification for lying about p, God doesn’t act on that justification).
(4) For any divine assertion that p, we do not have good reason for thinking that, even if God has some justification for lying about p, God doesn’t act on that justification.
(5) Therefore, if ST is true, then we do not know of any proposition that has word-of-God justification only.

Segal goes on to target premises (1b) and (2b) of the above argument. He considers neither premise plausible. I turn first to Segal’s claim that (2b) is implausible.

Segal’s first criticism

Why does Segal consider (2b) is implausible? According to Segal, because it relies on:

CLAIM: If for any divine assertion p, if we lack justification for believing that the probability of there being a lie-justifying good is low and, for any divine assertion p, we do not have a good reason for thinking that if God has some justification for lying about p, God doesn’t act on that justification, then for any divine assertion, we lack justification for believing either that the probability of there being a lie-justifying good is low or that even if God has some justification for lying about p, God does not act on that justification.

But, says Segal, CLAIM is implausible, for it is an example of the schema: if we lack justification for believing that p and we lack justification for believing that q, then we lack justification for believing either p or q. This schema has obvious false instances (given I lack justification for believing p and also lack justification for believing not-p, it does not follow that I lack justification for believing either p or not-p). Thus, says Segal, Wielenberg cannot rely on CLAIM.

Notice that Segal’s first criticism exploits some of the complexity Wielenberg introduced to deal with the JBDA objection. Specifically, it exploits Wielenberg’s introduction of that parenthetical clause within the second premise.

I believe Segal’s first objection is fairly easily sidestepped. The complexity Segal targets in premise (2b) can be dropped. Wielenberg can instead narrow down on the kind of reasons God might have to lie. Some reasons may be reasons such that though they would justify God in performing an action, it is by no means likely God will so act. Others reasons may such that, if they obtain, then it is highly likely - even guaranteed - that God will act on them.

The thought that there are reasons of the latter sort might well play a role in setting up our evidential argument of evil in the first place. The first premise is typically based on thought that we can sure that God, if he exists, will act to prevent gratuitous evil. God, if he exists, has reason to prevent gratuitous evil, reason he is guaranteed to act on. That’s why the existence of gratuitous evil guarantees there is no God. Call reasons such that God is guaranteed to act on them AG reasons (act-guaranteeing reasons).

Now presumably Wielenberg will suppose that if sceptical theism is true, then not only can we not justifiably conclude that there are no reasons for God to perform a given action a given only that we cannot think of any, neither can we justifiably conclude that there are no AG reasons for God to perform action a given only that we cannot think of any. But then surely, given sceptical theism, there may, for all we know, be not just reasons, but AG reasons, for God to lie to us on a regular basis. But then, by recasting Wielenberg’s original argument so that the focus is now specifically on AG reasons to lie, the JBDA objection can be dealt with without introducing the complexity targeted by Segal. Let ‘LAGRGx’ = there is some good g, such that if x were a divine lie, g provides God with an AG reason to assert x. Then, otherwise retaining Segal’s style of presentation, we might rework Wielenberg’s argument like so:

(1c) If ST is true, then for any x and p such that Axp, we lack justification for believing that Pr(LAGRGx/Axp) is low.
(2c) If for any x and p such that Axp, we lack justification for believing that Pr(LAGRGx/Axp) is low, then for any divine assertion that p, we do not know that p if p has word-of-God justification only.
(5) Therefore, if ST is true, then we do not know of any proposition that has word-of-God justification only.

Call this the LIES argument.[3] The LIES argument is structurally closer to Wielenberg’s two-premise original than the published version. And, crucially, premise (2c) of the LIES argument is immune to Segal’s first criticism (because it lacks that troublesome parenthetical clause).

However, the LIES argument won’t quite do as it stands. Premise (1c) is false. Suppose God tells me that Paris is the capital of France. Then, notwithstanding sceptical theism, given that I nevertheless possess good, independent, non-word-of-God justification for supposing Paris is indeed the capital of France, I can reasonably conclude that God lacks AG reason to lie to me about this (for otherwise he would have done so). More generally, notwithstanding the truth of sceptical theism, if God asserts that p and we possess non-word-of-God justification for p, then we possess justification for believing that Pr(LAGRGx/Axp) is low. This flaw in the LIES argument is easily corrected, however, by tweaking its premises slightly. Here is one suggestion:

(1d) If ST is true, then for any x and p such that Axp and we lack non-word-of-God justification for p, we lack justification for believing that Pr(LAGRGx/Axp) is low.
(2d) If for any x and p such that Axp and we lack non-word-of-God justification for p, we lack justification for believing that Pr(LAGRGx/Axp) is low, then for any divine assertion that p, we do not know that p if p has word-of-God justification only.
(5) Therefore, if ST is true, then we do not know of any proposition that has word-of-God justification only.

Call this the LIES+ argument. The LIES+ argument is immune to Segal’s first criticism. I suggest it has some prima facie plausibility.

To summarize: Segal’s first criticism of Wielenberg’s argument targets a complexity introduced by Wielenberg to deal with the JBDA objection. However, it appears Wielenberg might easily deal with the JBDA objection by other means, thereby sidestepping Segal’s criticism.

Segal’s second criticism

Let’s now turn to what I consider to be Segal’s more substantive criticism. It turns on the thought that the sceptical theist’s justification for believing what God asserts need not be rooted in any noseeum inference. The sceptical theist need not infer that, because they cannot think of a reason why God would lie about p, therefore there is unlikely to be a reason for God to lie about p. True enough, sceptical theism would indeed block that inference, and thus that way of justifying belief in God’s pronouncements. But perhaps the sceptical theist might offer some other, independent justification for believing that p given only that God asserts that p? Segal illustrates as follows:

Suppose we have justification for believing – regarding a particular divine assertion a that p, where p has word-of-God justification only – that Pr (p/Aap) is high. What are our justificatory grounds? Perhaps induction over all assertions; perhaps induction over divine assertions; perhaps the fact that lying is prima facie wrong and God is a morally perfect being; or perhaps some combination of these. If we do have such justification, and we believe that p based on these grounds, then we know that p. Or suppose Reid’s non-reductionist account in the epistemology of testimony is correct, and no independent positive reasons are required for believing that the testifier’s assertion is true. If so, and we believe that p based on the divine assertion (and there are no undefeated defeaters), then we know that p. (Segal (2011), 92)

Segal then points out that, notwithstanding the truth of sceptical theism, if we do know that p, then, assuming premise (2b) is sound, we can use this knowledge to infer that either we have justification for believing that Pr(LJGa/Aap) is low or that we have justification for believing that God would not lie about p even if he had a justification. But given premise (4) of Segal’s version of Wielenberg’s argument, we lack justification for believing God would not lie about p even if he had justification. So we can in turn infer that premise (1b) is false.

This is an ingenious move. If the sceptical theist can know, for something like the reasons Segal outlines, that p based on no more than the divine assertion that p, then they can use other premises of Wielenberg’s argument to infer that (1b) is false. I note a similar but more direct inference might be made to refute premise (1d) of the LIES+ argument: if I know that p given only that God asserts that p, then I can infer that the probability God has AG reason to lie about p is low.

Segal concludes that, before Wielenberg is entitled to hold (1b), he needs to justify the claim that, if sceptical theism is true, then none of these suggested accounts of how one might know p given only the divine assertion that p are adequate. And this is something Wielenberg has not done or even attempted to do.

As I explain below, this second criticism overlooks that fact that Wielenberg presumably considers sceptical theism to supply a defeater for beliefs having word-of-God justification only. Moreover, it appears that, even if Segal’s various suggested justificatory grounds are invoked, this defeater remains effective.

Testimony and defeat

Consider the following simple principle of testimony. For any testifier t and proposition p:

(PT) if t asserts that p, then, ceteris paribus, it is reasonable to believe both p and that one knows that p.

This is an intuitively plausible principle. Perhaps it might be justified by induction over all assertions. Or perhaps, even if no justification can be provided, it constitutes a basic Reidian principle to which we are properly entitled. Perhaps (PT) is a principle of ‘common sense’ epistemology we can rightly just take for granted. Given (PT), does it follow that I can consider myself to know some proposition given only that someone – such as God – has asserted it?

Not necessarily. (PT)’s ceteris paribus clause is obviously intended to cover situations in which one has a defeater for ones beliefs that p and that one knows that p. So, for example, if I know, in a given instance, that t has both a track record of dishonesty and excellent reason to lie to me on this occasion, then it is no longer reasonable for me to suppose I know that p given only that t asserts p. Under these circumstances, I possess a defeater both for the belief p and the belief that I know that p.

Suppose Sally tells me that p. (PT) says that, ceteris paribus, it is now reasonable for me to believe both that p and that I know that p. But of course, I might yet come to possess a defeater for these beliefs. Suppose I go on to discover that Sally’s assertion that p was a result of the following process. Sally drew a ball randomly from an urn. I have no idea whether or not all the balls in the urn are black, or none are black, or some fraction between 0 and 1 are black. What I do know (perhaps because I know Sally is currently involved in a some elaborate game of dare) is that if Sally’s ball was black, she told me a lie and if it was not black, she told me the truth.

So, setting aside the fact that Sally did in fact assert that p, the probability that Sally lies on this occasion is otherwise inscrutable to me. I cannot otherwise reasonably assign any probability to the claim that Sally lies – neither high, nor low, nor middling. Given this information, can I still reasonably believe both that p and that I know that p given only that Sally asserts that p?

Surely not. Why not? Because for all I otherwise know Sally lies when she asserts that p. The fact that the probability that Sally lies is otherwise inscrutable to me provides me with a defeater for both those beliefs.

But now suppose that, in response to the above objection, I attempt to defend my claim to know that p in the following manner. Given (PT) plus the fact that Sally asserts that p, it is reasonable for me to believe I know that p. But then (given that I know that p, and that I cannot know that p if the probability that Sally lies is not low) I am entitled to conclude that the probability Sally lies is not inscrutable, but low.

Clearly, such a response is muddled. It overlooks the fact that it appears to be a condition of my knowing that p given only that t asserts that p that the probability that t lies is not otherwise inscrutable.

Consider a similar condition. It seems clear that, notwithstanding (PT) and the fact that t asserts p, if I know the probability that t lies on this occasion is otherwise high, then I can’t reasonably believe I know that p (given only that t asserts p). For I now possess a defeater for that belief. Notice I certainly can’t reasonably infer that, given both (PT) and that t asserts p, then the probability t lies is actually not high but low.

But then it also seems clear that, not withstanding (PT) and the fact that t asserts p, if the probability that t lies on this occasion is otherwise inscrutable to me, then, again, I can’t reasonably believe I know that p (given only that t asserts p). Again, it seems I possess a defeater. That’s why my discovering the backstory to Sally’s assertion provides me with a defeater for what she asserts.

Now consider God’s divine assertion that p. Does (PT) allow me reasonably to believe that I know that p given only that divine assertion? Not, it seems, if I also know that sceptical theism is true. For then I know that the probability that God has AG reason to lie on this occasion, and thus lies, is indeed otherwise inscrutable. If my only reason for believing p is that God asserts that p, then sceptical theism provides me with a defeater for both my belief that p and my belief that I know that p.[4]

So, even if (PT) can be justified by induction over all assertions and/or even if (PT) can rightly be accepted with justification, it appears that, given sceptical theism, I can’t reasonably believe propositions having word-of-God justification only.[5]

Note that the above point concerning defeaters for beliefs that would otherwise be justified by (PT) suggests an alternative argument for Wielenberg’s conclusion. It appears, intuitively, that something like the following principle of defeat is correct. For any proposition p and testifier t:

(D): If t asserts that p, and t’s asserting that p is one’s only justification for believing that p, then the fact that the probability that t lies on this occasion is otherwise inscrutable provides one with a defeater for the belief that p.

I take it that something like (D) was presupposed by Wielenberg even in his original presentation (presumably, something like (D) lies behind Wielenberg’s second premise, and something like (D) might in any case be used to justify premise (2d) of the LIES+ argument[6]). (D)’s role can be made explicit in a Wielenberg-style argument by combining it with (as a second premise):

If ST, then (except when there is some independent reason to think that what is asserted is true) the probability that God lies on any given occasion is otherwise inscrutable.

In the absence of any defeater-defeater, Wielenberg can now conclude:

Thus, if ST, one does not know that p given only that God asserts p.

The second premise can, in turn, be supported by:

If ST, then (except when there is some independent reasons to think that what is asserted is true) the probability God has AG reason to lie on any given occasion is otherwise inscrutable.

Call this the DEFEATER argument (n.b. the parenthetical clauses are required because, as we noted earlier, if we have independent reason to think p is true, then we have independent reason to think God does not lie, and thus independent reason to think God lacks AG reason to lie).

Of course, in response to the DEFEATER argument, the sceptical theist might attempt to supply some defeater-defeater. Perhaps there is some consideration they can point to that has the consequence that the defeater generated by their sceptical theism for propositions having word-of-God justification only is itself defeated. But, assuming the DEFEATER argument is sound, the onus is now very much on the sceptical theist to supply such a defeater-defeater. Until they do so, their belief in propositions having word-of-God justification remains defeated.

In short, it appears that, given (D) and a plausible no-defeater condition on knowledge, sceptical theists cannot know propositions having word-of-God justification only.[7]

Induction over divine assertions

What of Segal’s suggestion that we might still justify belief in God’s assertion that p by induction, if not over all assertions, then at least over divine assertions? Of course, this would require we have grounds for believing God tells the truth on at least some occasions. But where we have independent reason to believe that what God has asserted is true, we do possess such grounds. Arguably, this is the case for some, perhaps even many, divine assertions. So, if we know that God has not lied when it comes to those assertions we can independently verify, then we know God lacks AG reason to lie on those occasions (for he would otherwise have lied). And if we know God lacks AG reason to lie on those occasions, why can we not inductively generalize and justifiably conclude that he is unlikely to possess AG reason to lie on those occasions when he makes assertions the truth of which we cannot independently verify?

Unfortunately for the sceptical theist, this inference is also blocked by their sceptical theism.[8]

Suppose God makes ten assertions of which we are able independently to verify that seven are true. Given God’s established track record of honesty, are we not justified in believing his remaining three assertions?  Not, it appears, if sceptical theism is true. For consider the possibility that God has AG reason to deceive us by lulling us into a false sense of security, much as confidence tricksters do. Given sceptical theism, it won’t do to argue that if we are unable to think of an AG reason for God to engage in such deception then there’s unlikely to be such a reason. But then how are we able reasonably to believe that the probability that such an AG reason exists is low?

Suppose Bert makes ten assertions, seven of which I am able independently to verify are true, the remaining three of which I am otherwise in the dark about. Can I reasonably believe the remaining three assertions? Ceteris paribus, of course I can. But now suppose I discover that, for all I know, Bert is a scammer engaged in a confidence trick of which I am the unwitting victim. For all I know, my verification of Bert’s other seven assertions is intended by Bert to play a confidence-building role in his deception. The probability that Bert is engaged in such a deception is otherwise inscrutable to me. I can reasonably assign no probability to Bert’s thus deceiving me: neither high, nor low, nor middling. Surely, given the inscrutability of this probability, I possess a defeater for those remaining three beliefs, notwithstanding the fact that I have independently verified the truth of Bert’s other seven assertions.

But then similarly, given the inscrutability of the probability that God has AG reason to engage in a similar deception, we possess a defeater for those of God’s assertions we have not independently verified, notwithstanding the supposed fact that we have been able to verify some or even most of God’s other assertions.

The relevance of God’s moral perfection

Segal makes one other suggestion regarding how we might come to know that p given only that God asserts that p. As Segal points out in the above quotation, God is not any old testifier. He is a morally perfect testifier. But then, given the wrongness of lying, perhaps the sceptical theist can still reasonably believe God is unlikely to lie even when he has reason to? And thus the sceptical theist can still reasonably believe propositions having word-of-God justification only?

There may be some plausibility to the suggestion that, when it comes to non-AG reasons to lie, a morally perfect God is unlikely to act on them. However, the LIES+ and DEFEATER arguments are both immune to the above line of attack. That is because both arguments focus specifically on AG reasons to lie. Perhaps the fact that God is a morally perfect being should lead us to assign a low probability to God’s lying when he has non-AG reason to lie. However, that same fact should vastly increase our confidence that, if there is a reason for God to lie such that lying is morally the right thing to do, then God will act on that reason. We can be confident God acts on such reasons not in spite of but because of his morally perfect nature. Indeed, trivially, if there are AG reasons for God to lie, then he is guaranteed to lie. And it appears that, if sceptical theism is true, then (except when there is some independent reason to think that what is asserted is true) the probability that there exist AG reasons for God to lie is inscrutable. But then, given (D), sceptical theism provides a defeater for propositions having word-of-God justification only, notwithstanding God’s moral perfection.

Conclusions regarding Segal’s critique of Wielenberg

I draw the following conclusions regarding Segal’s objections to Wielenberg’s argument (as Segal presents it above).

Segal’s first criticism targets premise (2b). More specifically it exploits a complexity introduced by Wielenberg in order to deal with the JBDA objection. I have explained that there is another way of developing Wielenberg’s original argument to avoid the JBDA objection that sidesteps Segal’s first criticism (the LIES+ argument) yet still produces a plausible-looking argument.

Segal’s second criticism involves his outlining various justifications that may be open to theists for believing propositions having word-of-God justification only – justifications Segal believes Wielenberg must rule out before he can claim to have shown that sceptical theism undermines knowledge of such propositions. I believe this second criticism fails. Segal’s suggested justifications all run into the same fundamental problem: that, even granted (i) the plausibility of (PT), (ii) God’s supposed track record of telling the truth, and (iii) the fact that God is morally perfect, etc., sceptical theism nevertheless appears to supply a defeater for propositions having word-of-God justification only. That sceptical theism supplies such a defeater is, I take it, Wielenberg’s fundamental point[9]. In which case, Segal fails to deal with that point.

Perhaps many theists do reasonably believe propositions possessing word-of-God justification only. Perhaps they do quite properly justify their belief in such propositions in the ways sketched out by Segal. However, if such a theist goes on to embrace sceptical theism in order to try to deal with the problem of evil, then, notwithstanding the fact that they happen to employ one or indeed all of Segal’s various suggested justificatory grounds, their sceptical theism nevertheless appears to supply them with a defeater for beliefs having word-of-God justification, just as Wielenberg supposes. Indeed, it appears that, given this defeater (and, of course, no defeater-defeater) it is irrational for such a sceptical theist to continue to maintain they know propositions having word-of-God justification only.

The LIES+ and DEFEATER arguments appear immune to Segal’s objections[10]. Of course, it remains open to Segal to argue that the premises of the LIES+ and DEFEATER arguments are implausible, or at least not as plausible as those of the sceptical theist’s anti-noseeum argument. However, even if Segal could show that the premises of the LIES+ and DEFEATER arguments are not as plausible as those of the anti-noseeum, they might still successfully justify Wielenberg’s conclusion. Suppose it is highly plausible that the premises of either the LIES+ or DEFEATER argument are all true. Then, even if those premises happen not to be quite as plausible as those of the anti-noseeum, they might still establish beyond reasonable doubt that sceptical theism generates a defeater for propositions having word-of-God justification only.

The McBrayer/Swenson response to Wielenberg

I turn now to the criticism of Wielenberg’s argument presented in McBrayer (2010) and then McBrayer and Swenson (2012). McBrayer and Swenson maintain that, for religiously mainstream monotheists who employ sceptical theism to deal with the problem of evil, Wielenberg’s argument ‘is not as scary as it first appears’ (McBrayer and Swenson (2012), 148). They begin by acknowledging that the sceptical theist should grant the possibility of divine lies:

(o)ther things being equal, God would, of course, tell us only what was true. This isn’t an all-things-considered judgement but a ceteris paribus one. Only the former is off limits according to sceptical theism. But since we’re in no position to determine whether or not the ceteris paribus clause is met, we should allow that it is possible that God is lying to us. (McBrayer and Swenson (2012), 148)

McBrayer and Swenson then suggest that, given that we at least know that, ceteris paribus, God would tell us the truth, we can remain justifiably confident about the truth of his pronouncements, just as we can remain justifiably confident about the pronouncements of other people even while acknowledging the possibility that they are lying:

People have deceived us in the past. And in many cases, we simply can’t tell whether they are being deceitful in any given instance. And yet we think it’s perfectly rational to accept the testimony of such people. Thus it is appropriate to accept testimony in general even though we know that it is possible the testimony is misleading. Given this epistemic fact, it is also appropriate to accept the testimony of God even though we know that it is possible that God is deceiving us. (McBrayer and Swenson (2012), 148)

Why the McBrayer/Swenson response to Wielenberg fails

This response to Wielenberg also fails. To begin with, let’s unpack McBrayer and Swenson’s ceteris paribus claim about what God would do. The claim is:

(G) Ceteris paribus: God would tell us only what was true[11]

How should (G) be understood? Ceteris paribus claims often take the form of generalizations that license predictions. Consider:

(T) Ceteris paribus: cats live more than six years

On perhaps the most natural reading of (T), the claim is that, as a general rule (usually, setting aside a few exceptions), cats do live more than six years. Thus understood, (T) licenses predictions. It allows me justifiably to conclude that my cat Tiddles will, or will probably, live more than six years (assuming, of course, that I have no reason to believe or suspect that the ceteris paribus clause applies).

However, ceteris paribus claims don’t always license predictions. Consider:

(J) Ceteris paribus, John would be naked at home

Given its subjunctive mood, (J) would not ordinarily be understood to license the prediction that, as John is home, he is, or is probably, naked. The suggestion, presumably, is not that, as a general rule (setting aside a few exceptions) John is naked at home. (J) allows for the possibility - and might well be taken to imply - that other things rarely, if ever, are equal. Perhaps, though being naked is John’s strong preference, John does not live alone and, out of courtesy to his easily offended cohabitees, he usually remains clothed.

Now consider McBrayer and Swenson’s (G). How should it be understood? Like (J), it is subjunctive in mood, speaking not of what is the case, but of what would be the case. Thus, on its most natural reading, (G) does not assert or imply that as a general rule God tells the truth. Even granted (G), God’s telling the truth may be the exception rather than the rule.

But then, thus understood, it’s hard to see how (G) provides McBrayer and Swenson with a basis for an effective response to Wielenberg. (G) no more justifies our believing that, as God asserts that p, p is true than (J) justifies our believing that, as John is home, John is naked.

But perhaps, appearances to the contrary, McBrayer and Swenson intend (G) to be understood as asserting or supporting a generalization about what God does: as a general rule God tells the truth. But if that is how (G) should be read, then, given sceptical theism, it is hard to see how McBrayer and Swenson can know that it is true. For sceptical theism does not merely have the consequence acknowledged by McBrayer and Swenson: that it is possible that God has AG reason to lie about things that we otherwise lack reason to think are true (a possibility that is consistent with our nevertheless having good reason to think that the probability he lies is not inscrutable or low). Sceptical theism also appears to have the far more serious consequence that the probability that there are such AG reasons is inscrutable. And, given the principle of defeat (D), that in turn provides the sceptical theist with a defeater for beliefs having word-of-God justification.

What of the suggestion made in the second quotation above? McBrayer and Swenson suggest that it is, ceteris paribus, reasonable to accept the testimony of other people. Thus it is reasonable to accept the testimony of God.

This manoeuvre was dealt with earlier. McBrayer and Swenson are here appealing to something like the principle of testimony (PT). Perhaps that principle is correct. However, (PT) does not allow us reasonably to believe propositions having word-of-God justification if sceptical theism nevertheless supplies a defeater for such beliefs, which it appears it does.

Conclusion

This paper defends Wielenberg’s conclusion that if sceptical theism is true then we can’t know propositions having word-of-God justification only and explains why I believe it is correct. The thus-far published criticisms of Wielenberg’s argument either fail or else can be fairly easily sidestepped by modifying the argument. What all these critics overlook is (and I take this to be Wielenberg’s fundamental point) that sceptical theism appears to supply a defeater for beliefs having word-of-God justification only. This defeater defeats such beliefs whether or not the sceptical theist attempts to justify their trust in God’s pronouncements by appeal to some combination of the principle of testimony, God’s morally perfect nature, and/or some supposedly established track record of divine truthfulness.


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[1] Wykstra (1996) coined the expression ‘noseeum inference’. The argument is employed by Rowe (1979 1988, 1991).
[2] Available to download at: www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php/78449.doc ‎(accessed 3rd April 2014)
[3] Though see note 7 on how I would intend this argument to be understood.
[4] Note that were one to insist that the mere inscrutability of the probability that God lies fails to provide one with a defeater for ones belief in the truth of his assertion (e.g. one insists instead that the probability God lies must be known to be at least middling before one has a defeater), then why shouldn’t the proponent of the noseeum inference similarly insist that the mere inscrutability of the probability that God has AG reason to allow the evils that exist fails to provide us with a defeater for our belief that there no such reasons. Beaudoin makes this point (Beaudoin (2005), 47).
[5] I note that sceptical theism also appears to provide a defeater for beliefs about the external world. If, for all I know, God has AG reason to deceive me perceptually about the character of the external world (much as Descartes’s hypothetical Evil Demon does, though in this case for good rather than evil reasons) then how can I reasonably take my perceptual experiences at face value?
In response to this worry, the sceptical theist might make a move analogous to that that made by Segal in response to Wielenberg. They may insist that their knowledge of the external world is not threatened by sceptical theism precisely because their knowledge of the external world is not based on a noseeum inference (e.g. an inference such as: ‘I can’t think of any reason why God would radically deceive me about the external world, therefore it’s unlikely there is such a reason’). Just this suggestion is made by Bergmann:

The skeptical theist’s reply is to note that our way of knowing that E5 [My being a bodiless victim of an evil demon who deceives me into thinking there’s an external physical world when in fact there is not] [is not] actual is not by considering possible goods, possible evils, and entailments between them—seeing that these provide no God-justifying reason to permit the obtaining of E5... Not at all. Rather, we have some independent way of knowing that E5 [is not] actual and we can conclude, from the fact that they aren’t actual, that if God exists, he has no good reason to arrange for them to be actual. (Bergmann (2009), 391)

What might this ‘independent way’ be? Well, just as Segal suggests a principle of testimony to deal with sceptical theism related concerns re God’s testimony, so the sceptical theist might also appeal to a principle of credulity to deal with sceptical theism related concerns about knowledge of the external world. E.g. (for any belief p):

(PC) if it appears clear to one that p, then, ceteris paribus, it is reasonable to believe that p and that one knows that p.

Thus, concludes our sceptical theist, if it appears to them that there’s a table before them, then ceteris paribus it’s reasonable for them to believe there’s a table present, notwithstanding their sceptical theism. Our sceptical theist may then conclude that as they do know such things about the external world, but can possess such knowledge if God has no reason to deceive them, that God, if he exists, has no reason to deceive them.
But now a similar problem arises to that which undermines Segal’s parallel appeal to a principle of testimony. (PC)’s ceteris paribus clause is also obviously intended to cover situations in which one possesses a defeater for p, and, when it comes to beliefs about the external world, such a defeater is precisely what sceptical theism appears to generate. If sceptical theism is true then, for all we otherwise know, God has AG reason to generate radically deceptive appearances of external reality. But if the probability that God has such AG reasons to deceive is inscrutable to us, then surely we possess a defeater for our beliefs about the external world notwithstanding the truth of (PC). Given sceptical theism, I can no more reasonably trust my perceptual experiences than I can reasonably trust what Sally says once I know the backstory to her utterances. Notice that, also notwithstanding the truth of (PC), a similar scepticism looms regarding beliefs grounded in religious experience.
The worry that given sceptical theism then for all we know God has reason to give us unreliable cognitive faculties has been raised before, including by Evan Fales:

….  If God can see fit to allow small children to die of terrible diseases for some greater good we cannot imagine, might He not have given us radically defective cognitive systems, and allowed us to be lulled into thinking them largely reliable, also for some unimaginable reason? (Fales (2002), 56)

Indeed, that, for all we know, God has good reason to give us unreliable cognitive faculties is conceded even by some sceptical theists. McBrayer and Swenson, for example, question Alvin Plantinga’s assumption that God would likely give us reliable cognitive faculties:

What a sceptical theist is committed to…is a general scepticism about our knowledge of what God would do in any particular situation. We don’t think that atheists or theists can say with any serious degree of confidence why God does what he does or why he would or wouldn’t do a certain thing… Alvin Plantinga assumes that if God exists it is obvious that our belief-forming faculties are reliable (Plantinga (2000)). Given our scepticism, we are not sanguine about [that] inference (God might well have other interests, motives, etc. than the few that we are able to decipher). (McBrayer and Swenson (2012), 145)

Still, McBrayer and others have developed responses to the objection that sceptical theism must lead to scepticism about the external world. McBrayer, for example, makes an intriguing appeal to context and contrast in order to try to prevent his sceptical theism generating a global sceptical threat (see McBrayer (2012)). Whether or not McBrayer’s or some other response succeeds in dealing with the threat of runaway scepticism is a question I shall address more fully in another paper. Here I merely flag up (i) the apparent threat to knowledge of the external world (etc.) posed by sceptical theism and (ii) the inadequacy of the above appeal to (PC) in order to try to neutralize that threat. My thanks to an anonymous reviewer for drawing my attention to the importance of flagging (i).
[6] Premise (2d) of the LIES+ argument will of course be justified by the thought that the fact that we lack justification for believing Pr(LAGRGx/Axp) is low provides us with a defeater for p if p has word-of-God justification only. It appears the LIES argument will then succeed in the absence of any defeater-defeater, the onus now being on the sceptical theist to provide some such defeater-defeater (which Segal has not done). That, at least, is how I would intend the LIES+ argument to be understood. See below.
[7] By a ‘defeater’ I here mean what is often called a mental state defeater. Such defeaters neutralize the justification or rationality beliefs otherwise possesses. Given some plausible no-defeater condition on knowledge (such as: S knows that p only if S does not have a mental state defeater for S’s belief that p), then, given their sceptical theism supplies them with a defeater for beliefs having word-of-God justification, sceptical theists do not know propositions having word-of-God justification only.
Defeaters can be defeated. Suppose the widgets on the assembly line clearly appear red to me. Given some principle of credulity (such as: (PC) if it appears clear to one that p, then, ceteris paribus, it is reasonable to believe that p and that one knows that p.) it’s now reasonable for me to believe the widgets are red. But suppose I am informed the widgets are illuminated by a red light and so would appear red even if they were white. This new belief supplies me with a defeater for my original belief. Of course this defeater might in turn be defeated (I might subsequently be informed that the electricity supply to the red light is currently switched off).
What I point out in the main text here is, in effect, that Segal’s suggestions fail, both individually and collectively, to supply a defeater for the defeater that sceptical theism supplies for beliefs having word-of-God justification. It appears that, until the sceptical theist supplies some such defeater-defeater, those beliefs remain defeated. And thus, given a no-defeater condition on knowledge, the sceptical theist cannot know any proposition having word-of-God justification only.
Of course, as I point out in the main text, the sceptical theist might yet supply some successful defeater for the defeater that sceptical theism otherwise supplies for beliefs possessing word-of-God justification only. However there are few even half-plausible candidates. Indeed, I can think of only one serious contender. The sceptical theist might insist that God is somehow able to reveal directly to them (perhaps through the internal instigation of the Holy Spirit) that he speaks truly. On Plantinga’s view (1986), while I might be presented with impressive evidence that I am the guilty person in a court case in which I am accused of murder, I can still know that I am innocent if I can clearly remember being innocently occupied at the time the murder took place. The evidence presented in court does not defeat my belief in my innocence given the latter belief’s very considerable non-propositional warrant. But then, similarly, perhaps the sceptical theist’s scepticism fails to supply a defeater for their belief in propositions having word-of-God justification if their belief in the truth of those propositions is grounded in some sufficiently authentic-seeming religious experience?
Perhaps the most obvious problem with the above suggestion is that given sceptical theism then, for all we know, God has AG reason not only to lie to us, but also to supply us with such powerful, seemingly-revelatory but nevertheless deceptive experiences. That sceptical theism does indeed similarly supply a defeater for beliefs grounded in such supposedly revelatory experiences is a suggestion I will expand upon and defend in another paper (though see note 3 above).
It remains the case, however, that until the sceptical theist supplies a good case for their being in possession of a defeater for the defeater otherwise supplied by sceptical theism for beliefs having word-of-God justification only, such beliefs are, indeed, defeated.
[8] There are other difficulties too. I might also draw attention to the fact that establishing that God has told the truth on a sufficient number of occasions to establish a track record of honesty is in any case beset with practical problems. Before we can assess how many of God’s pronouncements have been independently verified, we must first turn to various historical and other experts, etc. to establish which of the many pronouncements attributed to God are actually genuine and precisely what they mean (e.g. exactly what they predict, if anything). These are not easy tasks. There is considerable disagreement even amongst theistic historians about which pronouncements are genuine, what they mean, and whether or not they have in fact been independently verified. Beaudoin expresses both this worry (Beaudoin (2005), 47) and also a more traditional concern about

…tying one’s faith in God or his revelation to the results of empirical investigations by historians and scientists: if a skeptical theist’s confidence in the truth of God’s uncheckable revelations must rise and fall with the vicissitudes of historical scholarship, for example, then he is likely to find himself always vacillating between belief and unbelief (Beaudoin (2005), 47-48)

[9] In fact it is a point that had been clearly spelt out even before Weilenberg (2010). See Beaudoin (2005) who presents an analogy similar to my own Sally example:

Return again to the case of Smith. Smith testifies to me that P, and now I accept P on the basis of Smith's testimony; unlike in the previous case, I don't have the testimony of my own eyes to the truth of what Smith told me, or any other independent grounds for accepting P. If I now come to believe that, for all I know, Smith is a liar, or at least that in these matters he lies as often as he tells the truth, then I have an undermining defeater for my belief that P. Allegedly, skeptical theists are in roughly the same position in respect to their beliefs about God's plans, such as their belief that some souls will be saved: God, for all we know, has some good but inscrutable reason for deceiving us in such matters, and we have nothing to go on here but God's own word. Clearly the upshot [of the objection] is that it would be irrational for skeptical theists to hold the target beliefs about God's eschatological plans on the basis of his revelation. (Beaudoin (2005), 46, my italics)

[10] Though see note 7 on how premise (2d) of the LIES+ argument would most obviously be justified and on how the argument should consequently be understood.
[11] I here pass over what at least appears to be a glaring inconsistency in McBrayer and Swenson’s paper. According to McBrayer and Swenson:

What a sceptical theist is committed to…is a general scepticism about our knowledge of what God would do in any particular situation. We don’t think that atheists or theists can say with any serious degree of confidence why God does what he does or why he would or wouldn’t do a certain thing. (McBrayer and Swenson (2012),145).

But if we cannot say with any serious degree of confidence that God would do a certain thing, how are McBrayer and Swenson able to assert (G)?

Comments

Anonymous said…
Hello Dr. Law. I don't have any substantive criticisms of your paper, but I did notice one grammatical error. In the sentence "On perhaps the most natural reading of (T), the claim is that, as a general rule (usually, setting aside a few exceptions), cats do live more then six years." the word "then" should be "than."
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Paul Wright said…
Typos:

"‘Axp’ = a is a divine assertion that p"

An "a" should be an "x" or vice versa.

"Thus, if the sceptical theist accepts the conclusion of the noseeum inference, then they should also accept LIES"

A bit confusing: a sceptical theist doesn't accept the conclusion of the noseeum inference, though perhaps you meant the inference described in the previous sentence, which is an anti-noseeum.
Anonymous said…
I don't buy the defense against the moral perfection criticism (though the criticism as stated in the paper is weak and easily responded to as you did). It seems to me to trade on a fuzzy conception of moral. The following sentences seem to me to be an outright contradiction:

1. x is morally perfect
2. x told a lie

I take this to follow from the concept of lying properly understood, i.e. that it is never the case that lying is morally permissible. Of course more argument is needed, but let us say that a fellow, Bob, is a skeptical theist with respect to the Evidential P.O.E. and also a Kantian (or maybe he's an Aristotelian on other days) when it comes to morality. Bob would not allow that God might ever have reason to lie. Bob would say that the probability of God lying was a cold, hard zero.

This isn't entirely uninformative for the skeptical theist, though. If they like the skeptical resolution to the POE and they want to ward of wielenberg with the moral perfection defense then (I think it might successfully be argued that) they should probably not be a divine command theorist.
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Paul Wright said…
but let us say that a fellow, Bob, is a skeptical theist with respect to the Evidential P.O.E. and also a Kantian (or maybe he's an Aristotelian on other days) when it comes to morality

Isn't the step before sceptical theism assuming some sort of consequentialism, though? That is, the sorts of things which count as reasons for evils (and make them non-gratuitous) are countervailing goods. The idea that there could be such goods is essential to sceptical theism but if one has a morality which says "one must never do/allow evil X", one is saying that X is always gratuitous.

It seems one's opponent could then look for examples of where God does or allows X and show that God is not good (or that a Good God doesn't exist, if you like). I guess it's hard to show that God has lied. Would Kant say one should inform on liars (something which God doesn't do?) I'm not an expert on Kant: what else could we find there?

Perhaps there are only some X's in our morality and we're prepared to weigh some evils (apart from those) against goods. What distinguishes these two types of evil? Why can't we say "a virtuous man would never pass by on the other side of suffering", say (something which it certainly seems God does)?
Philip Rand said…
What about this one Dr Law....

You believe the colour red exists and is real...and forms a basis of true knowledge...In fact, most probably a cornerstone (philosophers always make a big deal about colour perception).

Now, if was I was sitting on the grass in a garden with you...and said...Look at the lovely red grass...you would correct me and say..."What! No, the colour of the grass is green you idiot!"

And yet...in reality "colours" don't exist in the world, i.e. they are not real...

So there is no common sense or scientific-justifying reason to believe in colours...and yet in your every day world you do believe in something that doesn't exist...

Why?

Isn't the concept of "Evil" similar...and if it isn't...why isn't it?
Anonymous said…
sorry, Paul, I didn't see your reply earlier! (much earlier, I'm afraid).

I don't think that the prior step is consequentialism at all. The skeptical theist does not need to believe that it is the state of affairs that grounds the "morally acceptable reason" for God allowing the suffering. They could appeal to another principle.. for instance, that it is wrong to take morphine for fun, but it is acceptable to administer it to someone with appendicitis. The point is not that the morphine is ok in the second scenario because there are two possible worlds, one with more pain and the other with less, but that the character of the individual taking the morphine for fun is deficient in some way (subject to his appetite for physical pleasure) whereas the doctor administering the morphine and the patient receiving it both have the eventual flourishing of the patient in mind in the same act (the administration of morphine). This is to say that the use of the morphine in the first case tells us something about the moral character of the man, whereas it tells us really nothing about the moral character of the doctor and the patient. So, the skeptical theist doesn't need to say something like, "oh, you think this world is bad, you should see the others", rather, they could say that the mere existence of suffering, even a lot, does not suffice to impugn God's character.

From this line of thinking, we can then ask if it is ever ok to permit or cause suffering, and then we will of course need to have a good definition of suffering. Now, we can go further to ask whether or not this commits us to the notion that divine revelation could be full of lies, or that God could have morally permissible reasons for lying. Unfortunately for Law (I believe at this point anyway), God could only have such reasons on consequentialist grounds (or perhaps some variation of duty ethics that gives an account of lying involving things like a 'right to truth'). So, the skeptical theist who advances his argument against the evidential POE from non-consequentialist grounds (the sort of argument sketched crudely above) is, I say, immune.
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On another blog, FideCogitActio, some theists of a "classical" stripe (that's to say, like Brian Davies, Edward Feser) are criticisng the Evil God Challenge (or I suppose, trying to show how it can be met, or sidestepped). The main post includes this: In book I, chapter 39 , Aquinas argues that “there cannot be evil in God” (in Deo non potest esse malum). Atheists like Law must face the fact that, if the words are to retain any sense, “God” simply cannot be “evil”. As my comments in the thread at Feser’s blog aimed to show, despite how much he mocks “the privation theory of evil,” Law himself cannot escape its logic: his entire argument requires that the world ought to appear less evil if it is to be taken as evidence of a good God. Even though he spurns the idea that evil is a privation of good, his account of an evil world is parasitic on a good ideal; this is no surprise, though, since all evil is parasitic on good ( SCG I, 11 ). Based on the conclusions of se