Monday, September 19, 2011

Quotes needed

I am looking for good, pithy quotes from theists acknowledging that the various arguments for the existence of God are inconclusive or even poor (even though they think that doesn't matter). If you have examples (with sources), could you email me direct rather than stick them here? Email address above. Thanks...

8 comments:

Spokesthingy said...

This is not to this point; but I could not find your email:
I just wanted to let you know that I just finished reading my copy of 'Believing Bullshit'. I must say that I was reminded of Colin McGinn's book Mindfucking; A Critique of Mental Manipulation, 2008, Acumen. The early chapters in your book were a bit of a mindfuck ... I really enjoyed chapter 6, Pseudoprofundity. I think the question as to whether God exists is somewaht irrelevent and perhaps a point worth discussing is whether those individuals that recorded the original scriptures were bullshitters motivated by the ever present desire for power and wanting to become leaders. What better argument then to say: I met God on the mountain and he gave me the following commandments to make you behave and I will be your leader!! It is also possible that scriptures are simply the records of what people believed then and the problem is with moderns who won't let go.
Finally as a scientist, now retired, I recommend you take a look at 'bullshit science'. Let me just give you two quick examples. A scientist publishes a paper with evidence being analytical results; however, it becomes evident that with known samples s/he only gets expected results 50% of the time - that kind of thing is not unheard of - how good is the evidence now?

Several religions claim that certain rivers can cure bacterial infections and might claim that such cures are miracles; however, the science of phage therapy provides evidence that such cures are not miracles at all. Please go to my blog for more on both bullshit and phage therapy - http://bullshitcitynorth.blogspot.com

Spokesthingy said...

While I was reading 'Believing Bullshit' I felt that there are really only two important questions that most people should ask and answer:

1. Whose or what bullshit do I believe? 2. How mindfucked am I?

Edward Ockham said...

A prime example would be William of Ockham, who entirely rejects Scotus’ version of the cosmological proof, and who generally rejects all forms of ‘proof’ for theological truths. I am currently scanning and uploading online, with the intention of one day translating, all of Ockham’s work. You can start here. The relevant parts would be the Ordinatio and Quodlibet VII – neither of which online, but I have the whole of the Prologue, some of it translated. Ockham is generally pithy, I will look around for something suitable. The gist of his argument is that either the argument is logically defective, or would simply be unconvincing to an unbeliever.

There is an example here, in the bit beginning ‘Secondly as follows’.

Stephen Law said...

Well thanks for the comments - and for reading it.

Philosotroll said...

Also... spokesthing pointed this out, but (as it turns out) your email is not (posted above). So emailing you will likely be a challenge.

Stephen Law said...

my email address is in the banner - think AT royalinstitutephilosophy.org

Stephen Law said...

Thanks John!

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