THIS DEBATE HAS NOW BEN CANCELLED (apparently because of the furore over the Jewel of Medina).
I am debating a Muslim creationist - Sharif Hafezi - next Saturday, 25th October, 6.30pm. I have v. little time to prepare so anyone who can advise me about this brand of creationism do get in touch.
It's at:
Froud Centre
1 Toronto Av
London,
E12 5JF
Tel: 020 84782468
map here.
For public transport the closest tube station is East Ham (Hammersmth & City/District). There is also nearby overground rail links at Manor Park (available from Stratford platform 8) and Woodgrange Park.
I am debating a Muslim creationist - Sharif Hafezi - next Saturday, 25th October, 6.30pm. I have v. little time to prepare so anyone who can advise me about this brand of creationism do get in touch.
It's at:
Froud Centre
1 Toronto Av
London,
E12 5JF
Tel: 020 84782468
map here.
For public transport the closest tube station is East Ham (Hammersmth & City/District). There is also nearby overground rail links at Manor Park (available from Stratford platform 8) and Woodgrange Park.
Comments
"God did it so stop asking questions"?
The details are not important to the believer, if they were – they would be scientists.
Sorry... I'm no help.
Lee
PS
I wish I could go, but I am in the wrong country - any chance of a review of the event from anyone attending? (Maybe even a recording...)
Doesn't teaching the controversy assume there is one?
Crationism is most likely going to be the Harun Yahya version. The "it's statistically impossible" and "never a missing link between species was found" version.
The "big bang" would be described in the Qur'an verses 21:30 "clove heaven and earth asunder", and further in 41:9-12. Note that these versions closely resemble big parts of Ovid's world view.
http://www.theoi.com/Protogenos/Khaos.html
Here, Muslims generally als use the "fine tune" argument (citing Hawking / anthropic principal) where everything would be mathematically "just right" for earth and humanity from the start.
In my viewpoint, filosophically, one cannot hold both viewpoints at the same time.
The big bang God is an almighty mathematical genious setting initial parameters of the universe perfectly.
The creationist God is not so (not almighty): he seems totally unable to make the laws to concieve humanity from the start and needs to dabble in his cration over history to "manually" create new species until the "perfect" human being arrives.
Note that if I were Muslim, I'd opt for the second. Allah seems equally unable in the Qur'an to distribute a man's inheritance properly. The formulas in the Qur'an sometimes distribute less than 100% of the goods, and sometimes even more.
Hysteria seems to be the name of the game.
Video at http://richarddawkins.net/article,3239,n,n"
So discussion of ideas in an open forum where they can be challenge by all should not be had now?
The world is becoming a worrying place when threats of violence stop intellectual discussions.
Lee
The world is becoming a worrying place when threats of violence stop intellectual discussions."
Surely this has been the case so far as Muslims in the West are concerned at least since the Rushdie "Satanic Verses" brouhaha.
Islam is about domination - not discussion.
Ive heard sharif hafezi debate Guy Otto in Manchester Metropolitan university in the sharif hafezi vs Guy Otto debate. He didnt use any Harun Yahya type stuff and very rarely mentioned the Holy Koran or Holy Bible. Rather he used astrophysics and left guy otto bewildered. This guy needs to be tackled
check the muslim council of britian website to find the material the sharif hafezi uses. apparently he is a member possibly or probably mjnot
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