tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post3647860156816845300..comments2024-03-22T06:22:08.010+00:00Comments on Stephen Law: Alan Bennett: Ban private schoolsStephen Lawhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02167317543994731177noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-30405202921546417612013-05-28T03:48:01.694+00:002013-05-28T03:48:01.694+00:00Whilst I don't agree with banning private scho...Whilst I don't agree with banning private schools, I do feel very strongly about the bursary issue, having just had my daughter's full bursary significantly reduced only a year after she joined the school. The reason seems to be that I am no longer a sexy single mother, and even though our household income is not proportionally more, the loss of my 'needy' status of being on tax credits previously means that my daughter is no longer so deserving. Outrageous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-29886744279074992602009-07-22T09:38:43.188+00:002009-07-22T09:38:43.188+00:00having been to both a private school and a state s...having been to both a private school and a state school, i would say that the only difference was in the attittude shown by children and teachers, so i would say that instead of banning pfrivate schools, more focus should be made on choosing the best teachers, and the ones with npositive attittudes to pass on their positivity,and ending the anti-achievement feeling in many state schoolsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-37499046096129621402008-06-04T20:52:00.000+00:002008-06-04T20:52:00.000+00:00* ps sorry take away grammar schools* ps sorry take away grammar schoolsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-39950959768492471242008-06-04T20:47:00.000+00:002008-06-04T20:47:00.000+00:00I rest again on the issue of social expectation. I...I rest again on the issue of social expectation. If parents don't value education, or fully academically motivate their child, their child will not be likely to work their hardest, or strive for particularly deemed "high-status" careers. If children are amongst other children of parents with the same attitude, who is going to motivate them? How can teachers motivate children fully therefore, if children and parents alike have this attitude? Then, what happens to the children that want to do well? What happens to the boy, Johnny, with poor parents, but who encourage him to become a doctor, when he's in a school with this sort of environment? Social conformity may make him decide he does not want to be a doctor.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, take a good grammar school in a wealthy area full of educated people. Social expectation says to aim for a similarly academic career as the parent. Most of the children are brought up with certain expectations, and an academic career is seen as attainable and worth it. Within this environment, yes, it would be so much easier for Johnny to achieve his dream of being a doctor, and the same in the independent sector. It's no surprise therefore, that parents move house to put there child into a better environment, some end up paying for this. To quote martino:" but indirectly by selecting their child's peers by school choice."<BR/><BR/>Social expectation needs to be eradicated.The first step in my opinion is to eradicate private schools, introduce more grammar schools, and eradicate the "local area" selection procedures to "split up" expectation and balance it out. This way, the poorest children from the poorest areas, would meet children from very wealthy backgrounds who would normally have been privately educated, and be influenced by their "expectations." The next step would be to eradicate class-based expectation and tell everyone to learn for the love of learning- do something you enjoy! Try your best at school! Perhaps local authorities could arrange talks in schools with a higher percentage of poorer children, in order to motivate them and their parents. Perhaps all schools should have a stronger, more heavily enforced ethos to ensure that all children, so not expect what sociey destines, but expect their best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-2552697517837989822008-02-26T15:57:00.000+00:002008-02-26T15:57:00.000+00:00I did, in one of those panics London based parents...I did, in one of those panics London based parents are prone to, have a bit of a look at bursaries for private secondary schools. What struck me was that they appear to cover less than the full amount of fees so leaving a big shortfall for parents to make up every term. That immediately excludes a a big chunk of us. Then add in the fancy uniforms, trips etc and, especially if you have more than one child, it just isn't an option. And anyway, you need to be a pretty clued up parent to negotiate your way through the labyrinth of entrance exams etc. And for most bright working class children their parents won't be clued up in that particular way. I was helping on a school trip yesterday - my middle child's class were visiting the Tutankhamun exhibition at the Millenium Dome. A number of his bright classmates (eight and nine year olds) exclaimed with wonder at the delights of the tube station - they'd never been on the underground despite living on the Central Line. These are not children whose parents are going to be searching out a school for them. They'll go to the local one where they may thrive or get lost, and of course, they deserve the best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-10106358004251618942008-02-26T04:40:00.000+00:002008-02-26T04:40:00.000+00:00Stephen,I share your view that that the only non-a...Stephen,<BR/><BR/>I share your view that that the only non-arbitrary criterion for admitting a student into a top university is that student's merit. Consequently, the fact that the children of the wealthy chiefly get positions in top schools is unjust. So long as there is an arbitrarily privileged class, it will be impossible to offer the universal opportunity to demonstrate one's merit for professions of high caliber.<BR/><BR/>However, I am concerned that your proposal to ban private schools is not sufficiently radical. For instance, one of my fellow students here at Indiana University came from Japan, which has a nominally merit-based system of admission to schools. However, in practice, children from wealthy parents are able to attend "cram schools" which ultimately mean that they dominate the best schools in the country. If we want to eliminate the evils that come with private schools, then we need to not only restructure the educational systems of our respective countries so that they are nominally merit-based, but also make other kinds of changes that prevent the system from becoming a <I>de facto</I> class based one.Timmohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04095596090336782085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-24392561578685273942008-02-25T13:12:00.000+00:002008-02-25T13:12:00.000+00:00I shall never forget someone saying that a senior ...I shall never forget someone saying that a senior official at the Department of Education had told them: "We don't want a lot of highly educated people in this country, do we? They cause too much trouble!"anticanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18135207107619114891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-38148233517115106072008-02-25T12:42:00.000+00:002008-02-25T12:42:00.000+00:00As far as I can see the issue with private schools...As far as I can see the issue with private schools - which has overt selection obviously - and faith schools - many of which are offering hidden selection to parents - is that this is all about peer group selection. Research has shown that peer groups have more influence on the adult than parents. Parents may be mistaken as to how their values influence their children, it is not directly from parent to child, although that is a factor, but indirectly by selecting their child's peers by school choice.<BR/><BR/>So before examining banning private schools or not, surely we need to get our state schools in order which means dealing with the hidden selection issue of faith schools and post code selection - which is again on a lower level related to the same factors as for parents who can afford private schools - to make our state schools properly meritocratic. <BR/><BR/>One answer, I suggest, is to allow for explicit peer group selection in state schools and remove the current hidden selection via faith schools and post codes. Still is there anything wrong with local kids going to local schools? There one needs to deal with the post code premium based on perceived local school quality versus a reasonable expectation of parents for similar kids studying together.<BR/><BR/>A final point is that how does one deal with private and extra tuition for pupils in state schools, assuming that private schools are banned?Martin Freedmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16952072422175870627noreply@blogger.com