tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post6683087124507023502..comments2024-03-22T06:22:08.010+00:00Comments on Stephen Law: Condoms, Catholics, and HIVStephen Lawhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02167317543994731177noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-79693563344230982432014-11-22T00:02:44.399+00:002014-11-22T00:02:44.399+00:00I am from USA, I can’t stop thanking Dr Ogbodu in ...I am from USA, I can’t stop thanking Dr Ogbodu in Africa for this Great thing<br />that he has done in my life, I am so grateful to him, i was suffering from<br />HIV seizures and kidney failure when i contacted Dr Ogbodu in Africa after<br />reading the wonderful testimony that people has been sharing about him,<br />when i contacted him, he assure me that he will cure me with his herbal<br />medicine which he really did, and i am now completely cured from HIV<br />seizures and kidney failure. What will i say rather than thanking him for<br />saving me.<br />Why suffering in silence when there is remedy to your diseases.Dr. Ogbodu<br />Africa also specialize in curing the following disease:<br />*HIV/Aids<br />*Kidney failure<br />*Arthritis<br />*Diabetes<br />*Hypertension<br />*Stroke<br />*Obesity<br />*Infertility/Impotency<br />*Cancer<br />*Eye Problem<br />*Skin Problem<br />*Fibroid Tumor<br />*Ulcer<br />*Prostate Problem<br />*Asthma<br />*Weight Management<br />*Gonorrhea/Staphylococcus<br />*Candidie<br />*Low sperm can<br />*Weak erection<br />*Weak ejaculation<br />*Pile e.t.c<br />For more information contact Dr Ogbodu via email:ogboduspellhome@gmail.comAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10340074166462804016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-61723079679223975832014-11-20T00:29:08.138+00:002014-11-20T00:29:08.138+00:00My name is Gloria from sewden, My boyfriend left m...My name is Gloria from sewden, My boyfriend left me a month ago and he was leaving with another woman who is 7 years older than him,i feel like my life is completely over so one day as i was browsing <br /><br />searching on the internet for help I read over the internet how a spell caster have help several people to get there love back. I have been depress for the past one month and what i need is to get him back <br /><br />and live with him happily. so i decided to give it a try so i contacted the spell caster called Dr.Brown and explain my problems to him and he cast a love spell which i use to get my boyfriend back and now my <br /><br />life is complete and both of us are very happy with the relationship. and i am really grateful to this man for what he has done for me and my family, Thank you very much and i will continue to say my testimony <br /><br />over and over again. for those you need help or having same problem as me should contact him on his email address dr.brownspellhome@gmail.com or call +2348131279054 if you look below you will see <br /><br />others you have also testify about him.Glorianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-62159187023055204562014-11-20T00:08:33.393+00:002014-11-20T00:08:33.393+00:00My name is Lena Adams.am from the United State of ...My name is Lena Adams.am from the United State of America,This is a very happy day of my life with the help of Dr Helen has rendered to me by helping me to get my divorce husband back with his power <br /><br />and love spell. i was married for 8 years and it was so terrible because my husband was really cheating on me, and was seeking for a divorce but when i came across Dr Helen email on the internet on how <br /><br />he help so many people to get their ex back and help fixing relationship.and make people to be happy in their relationship. i explained my situation to him and then seek his help but to my greatest surprise he <br /><br />told me that he will help me with my case and here i am now celebrating because my Husband has change totally for good.he started begging me to forgive him that he is very sorry for everything, i was really <br /><br />surprised and was also happy, so that was how i forgive him and now we are living together happily than ever before,and He always want to be by me and can not do anything without my present. i am really <br /><br />happy with my marriage, what a great celebration. thank you Dr Helen who helped me a lot, if you need his help you can contact him through email: voodoospelltemple01@gmail.com<br />Lena Adamsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-43906030448536501532014-03-17T16:51:37.778+00:002014-03-17T16:51:37.778+00:00
i was diagnosed with HIV/AIDS for over 5 years wh...<br />i was diagnosed with HIV/AIDS for over 5 years which made loose my job and my relationship with my fiance after he discovered that i was having HIV, he departed from me i tried all my best to make him stays with me, but neglected me until a friend of mine on Facebook from Singapore told me Great healer, who will restore my life back with his powerful healing spell, he sent me the email address to contact (dr.marnish@yahoo.com) and i quickly contacted him, and he said my condition can solved, that he will treat the disease immediately only if i can accept trust him and accept his terms and condition, i Agreed because i was so much in need of help by all means, so i did all he want from me and surprisingly on Sunday last week He sent me a text, that i should hurry up to the hospital for a checkup, which i truly did, i confirm from my doctor that i am now ( HIV NEGATIVE) my eyes filled with tears and joy, crying heavily because truly the disease deprived me of many things from my life, This is a Miracle, Please do not en-devour to email dr.marnish or call him at +15036626930 for healing and solution<br />Rebecca from London<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09806029741352679610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-2964971111348182702013-11-19T11:51:45.157+00:002013-11-19T11:51:45.157+00:00i want to share a testimony on how i was cured fro...i want to share a testimony on how i was cured from HIV by a man called Dr. Aluta of ALUTASPELLTEMPLE@HOTMAIL.COM who is very good in what he does for people. I was diagnosed of HIV in NOV. 2011 and since then i have not been living a normal life with my family, my husband and kid left me because they tested negative, i was the only who was carrying the disease and i have been living a life full of pain and sorrows because of the disease i was having inside of me, until i meant a testimony about a woman who was cured be Doctor Aluta, i was skeptical at first, but latter on i decided to give the Dr. a try, and in just 4 days after i contacted him, he told me every thing to do which i did and then he told me to go for a test to check if the cure he gave to me had worked, and i really went for the test and to my greatest surprise the disease i have been carrying for almost 3 years disappeared, and i was very happy, after that i called my husband and told him of the good news, and now i am very happy to tell you that i and my family are now living happy with out problems, and if you are also in this kind of situation, i will advice you to contact him today through his email. ALUTASPELLTEMPLE@HOTMAIL.COM or call him with his mobile number. +2348077526430. god bless Dr. Aluta for the good work he did in my life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-8377739338520224932013-11-05T12:42:33.087+00:002013-11-05T12:42:33.087+00:00HI My Name is MARIAN DUSS, I wish to share my
test...HI My Name is MARIAN DUSS, I wish to share my<br />testimonies with the<br />general public about what this man called Dr LAWCY<br />of( drlawcyspellhome@gmail.com ] has just done for me , this man has just did what I thought nobody will ever do for me, i was HIV positive when one of my family friend introduce this man to me, I never believed that great DR LAWCY could do this, when I contacted him on this same issue on ground, he casted some spell for me and gave me some parcel to drink, now I am so happy to say that the virus I was having In my body have left me. <br />All thanks to DR LAWCY. If you are out there passing through this same kind of<br />problems you can<br />contact him today on his mail ( drlawcyspellhome@gmail.com )<br />and he will also help<br />you as well with his great spell caster, THANKS BE TO DR LAWCY....marian dusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12258048715771029927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-59659795702980399322013-10-04T06:57:29.400+00:002013-10-04T06:57:29.400+00:00I Am Mrs lara, i live in Texas (USA). [READ MY STO...I Am Mrs lara, i live in Texas (USA). [READ MY STORY. ON HOW I GOT MY AIDS CURED]. Truthfully, i was tested HIV + positive last 3years. I keep on managing the drugs i usually purchase from the health care agency to keep me healthy and strenghtful, i tried all i can too make this disease leave me alone, but unfortunately, it keep on eating up my life, this is what i caused myself, for allowing my fiance make sex to me unsecurely without protection, although i never knew he is HIV positive. So last few 4days i came in contact with a lively article on the internet on how this Powerful Herb Healer get her well and healed. So as a patient i knew this will took my life 1 day, and i need to live with other friends and relatives too. So i copied out the Dr SALAMI the traditional healer's email id: salamispiritualspelltemple@gmail.com, and i mailed him immediately, in a little while he mail me back that i was welcome to his temple home wereby all what i seek for are granted. I was please at that time. And i continue with him, he took some few details from me and told me that he shall get back to me as soon as he is through with my work. I was very happy as heard that from him. So Yesterday, as i was just coming from my friends house, Dr Atakuma called me to go for checkup in the hospital and see his marvelous work that it is now HIV negative, i was very glad to hear that from him, so i quickly rush down to the nearest hospital to found out, only to hear from my hospital doctor called Browning Lewis that i am now HIV NEGATIVE. I jump up at him with the test note, he ask me how does it happen and i recide to him all i went through with Dr . I am now glad, so i am a gentle type of person that need to share this testimonies to everyone who seek for healings, because once you get calm and quiet, so the disease get to finish your life off. So i will advice you contact him today for your healing at the above details: Email ID:salamispiritualspelltemple@gmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-25224533136735522642013-10-04T06:52:59.485+00:002013-10-04T06:52:59.485+00:00I Am Mrs lara, i live in Texas (USA). [READ MY STO...I Am Mrs lara, i live in Texas (USA). [READ MY STORY. ON HOW I GOT MY AIDS CURED]. Truthfully, i was tested HIV + positive last 3years. I keep on managing the drugs i usually purchase from the health care agency to keep me healthy and strenghtful, i tried all i can too make this disease leave me alone, but unfortunately, it keep on eating up my life, this is what i caused myself, for allowing my fiance make sex to me unsecurely without protection, although i never knew he is HIV positive. So last few 4days i came in contact with a lively article on the internet on how this Powerful Herb Healer get her well and healed. So as a patient i knew this will took my life 1 day, and i need to live with other friends and relatives too. So i copied out the Dr SALAMI the traditional healer's email id: salamispiritualspelltemple@gmail.com, and i mailed him immediately, in a little while he mail me back that i was welcome to his temple home wereby all what i seek for are granted. I was please at that time. And i continue with him, he took some few details from me and told me that he shall get back to me as soon as he is through with my work. I was very happy as heard that from him. So Yesterday, as i was just coming from my friends house, Dr Atakuma called me to go for checkup in the hospital and see his marvelous work that it is now HIV negative, i was very glad to hear that from him, so i quickly rush down to the nearest hospital to found out, only to hear from my hospital doctor called Browning Lewis that i am now HIV NEGATIVE. I jump up at him with the test note, he ask me how does it happen and i recide to him all i went through with Dr . I am now glad, so i am a gentle type of person that need to share this testimonies to everyone who seek for healings, because once you get calm and quiet, so the disease get to finish your life off. So i will advice you contact him today for your healing at the above details: Email ID:salamispiritualspelltemple@gmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-16970169792061187422013-09-15T03:54:43.409+00:002013-09-15T03:54:43.409+00:00HI My Name is MARIAN DUSS, I wish to share my
test...HI My Name is MARIAN DUSS, I wish to share my<br />testimonies with the<br />general public about what this man called Dr LAWCY<br />of( drlawcyspellhome@gmail.com ] has just done for me , this man has just did what I thought nobody will ever do for me, i was HIV positive when one of my family friend introduce this man to me, I never believed that great DR LAWCY could do this, when I contacted him on this same issue on ground, he casted some spell for me and gave me some parcel to drink, now I am so happy to say that the virus I was having In my body have left me. <br />All thanks to DR LAWCY. If you are out there passing through this same kind of<br />problems you can<br />contact him today on his mail ( drlawcyspellhome@gmail.com )<br />and he will also help<br />you as well with his great spell caster, THANKS BE TO DR LAWCY....marian dusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12258048715771029927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-58009416271131443102013-08-07T09:30:16.961+00:002013-08-07T09:30:16.961+00:00Hi, I work in a communication company I want to s...Hi, I work in a communication company I want to share my testimony to the world, my name is maria katrina, i am from united kingdom in belfast north ireland, I was a stripper in a club I got effected with HIV due to the nature of my job, In april 15 2013 i was tested positive to HIV, This is not design to convince you but its just a personal health experience . I never taught doctor hakim could ever get my HIV-AIDS cured with his healing herb spell, i have tried almost everything but I couldn't find any solution on my disease, despite all these happening to me, i always spend a lot to buy a HIV drugs from hospital and taking some several medications but no relieve, until one day i was just browsing on the internet when i came across a great post of !Michelle! who truly said that she was been diagnose with HIV and was healed that very week through the help of this great powerful healing spell doctor ,I wonder why he is called the great papa hakim, i never knew it was all because of the great and perfect work that he has been doing that is causing all this. so I quickly contacted him, and he ask me some few questions and so i did all the things he asked me to do,He ask me to buy some herbs and which I did for my cure,only to see that at the very day which he said i will be healed, all the strength that has left me before rush back and i becomes very strong and healthy, this disease almost kills my life all because of me, so i went to hospital to give the final test to the disease and the doctor said i am HIV negative, i am very amazed and happy about the healing doctor hakim gave to me from the ancient part of africa, you can email him now for your own healing too on his email: dr.hakimherbalspellworld@gmail.com. thank you doctor for healing me from HIV. I am free and happy. here is my mobile number to really confirm from me +44702407844 and here is my email:communicationzonetrader@gmail.com<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-55669176827711448082012-11-12T23:12:06.269+00:002012-11-12T23:12:06.269+00:00(I apologise if someone has already pointed this o...(I apologise if someone has already pointed this out - I haven't read through all the comments and I appreciate that this is a post from 5 years ago.)<br /><br />When someone tells you that something (like the use of a condom) is wrong, you must firstly ask why they think that. I believe all morals should be rationally justified!<br /><br />Let's assume the Catholic says it's because they stop pro-creation. This takes you into the nature of sex. They may see the purpose and indeed sole function of sex to be an act of pro-creation, in which case you must also remind them that sexual activity between an infertile or elderly couple would also therefore be immoral. If they dispute this then clearly their argument is not based on this logic, but something else.<br /><br />After digging a little further, they will probably arrive at the following conclusion: it is so because God says it is so, which is an appeal to authority and has no basis of explanation whatsoeverDavid Harveyhttp://truthovertrust.blogspot.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-57749986470847812362010-12-03T13:22:10.863+00:002010-12-03T13:22:10.863+00:00Hello. I am a devout Christian but I am kind of di...Hello. I am a devout Christian but I am kind of disturb to know that the reason why the church oppose the use of condom is related to there future fear that there will be less children especially the male species and because of this priest or church people will have less children to molest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-34643029731253855522010-12-03T13:17:32.759+00:002010-12-03T13:17:32.759+00:00The reason why the church vehemently oppose the us...The reason why the church vehemently oppose the use of condom or other artificial contraceptives is the church's fear in the future that there will be less pregnancies and therefore less children thereafter less children to molestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-53669066634390005142009-04-20T12:48:00.000+00:002009-04-20T12:48:00.000+00:00The RC appears ridiculous on this in any case. But...The RC appears ridiculous on this in any case. But, setting that to one side, there is a subtle distinction we need to make here.<br /><br />Sometimes it is perfectly reasonable to say: You ought not to X, but if you are going to X, do Y. Other times less reasonable.<br /><br />Doctor: You ought not to drink, but if you are, avoid spirits.<br /><br />If you want a moral example:<br /><br />Animal rights activist: You ought not to keep pets, but if you are going to, treat them humanely.<br /><br />That's reasonable, and certainly consistent.<br /><br />This seems odd though:<br /><br />You ought not to rape, but if you are, use a condom.<br /><br />But why? It is not inconsistent, I think. But it seems a silly thing to say because:<br /><br />(i) anyone who rapes doesn't give a stuff about their victim, and so won't bother protecting them with a condom. So it's a pointless request (hence ridiculous, if safeguarding the victim is the aim), and<br /><br />(ii) in the animal rights case, the activist recognizes you may not share their fairly unusual moral position, and so it is reasonable for them to add that even if you don't agree with them about keeping pets, you should still treat your pets humanely. But it is odd to add something similar about rape, as presumably the rapist knows what he does is wrong.<br /><br />WZ's burglary example is odd for the same two reasons.<br /><br />For the RC to say "You ought not to have homosexual sex, but if you are going to, use a condom" would thus involve (i) no inconsistency, and, indeed, (ii) not even any of oddness of the sort that attaches to the parallel remarks about rape and burglary.Stephen Lawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02167317543994731177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-74743929378826790552009-04-20T12:13:00.000+00:002009-04-20T12:13:00.000+00:00To put the point made in the above posting in a so...To put the point made in the above posting in a somewhat differenlty, and in a more succint manner:<br /><br />The rc church does not want to---it seems to me---make itself appear ridiculous by giving advice to people who by hypothesis do not care about most important advice (nay, commandments) previously given by that very selfsame church. <br /><br />Imagine a secular legislator legislating that burglaries are illegal, but if you do burgle, it's OK, but please be so kind as to not demolish the premisses your burgle more than necessary for your burglary-related designs.<br /><br />Even if you disapprove of the rc church (or any other organization) it is somewhat unwise, methinks, to begrudge it for not wanting to appear ridiculous.Wojciech Żełaniechttp://www.wnswz.strony.univ.gda.plnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-86048528267226586722009-04-19T19:56:00.000+00:002009-04-19T19:56:00.000+00:00Stephen is writing:
'Then why not say, "We'd pref...Stephen is writing:<br /><br />'Then why not say, "We'd prefer you not to have sex, but if you are going to, please use a condom"?'<br /><br />Well, another difficulty that I seem to see with a no doubt well-meaning suggestion like that above is the practical results of its implementation.<br /><br />Suppose the RC church says 'OK, if you choose to be promiscuous, which we say you must not, then it is henceforth OK, nay, mandatory to you to use condoms'. What would the to-be-expected results thereof be for an average African (or American, European, ... etc.)? <br /><br />Imagine that after a proclamation to that effect by the Holy See, a promiscuous man is on his way to his next exploit, say a brothel, or lying in wait for somebody to rape, or something like that. <br /><br />Now first off, is he Roman Catholic at all? If not, the hypothetical Instruction by Pope will not impress him in the least, maybe even in the opposite direction: 'If these asinine fools, the Catholics, who teach that the Earth is flat and what not, say a thing like that --- it must be wrong, I won't use a condom from now on'. But most likely, the Papal Instruction will fail to have any influence on the playboy in question.<br /><br />If he IS Catholic, he will probably have heard of 'Thou shalt not commit adultery', and should care. But---by hypothesis---he don't care. He just don't. (If he's a Catholic who hasn't ever heard of that commandment, he's such a queer Catholic that his responses to any Papal instructions must be viewed as highly impredictable.)<br /><br />Now behold the moment arrive when he's 'at it': the virile parts tumescent and ready, etc., he is, let us presuppose for the sake of argument, somehow in the position to pause for a moment and reflect on what his Church teaches him and---inspired by a holy awe of the hypothetical Instruction from the Vatican (you boys, do wear condoms while sleeping around) BUT AT THE SAME TIME BY AN UNHOLY CONTEMPT OF THE SIXTH COMMANDMENT he---obediently---slips on the odd rubber... ? <br /><br />Does anybody think a scenario like that is any likely? I mean, not just in few isolated cases, where it certainly is, for most weird things happen in few isolated cases<br />---men bite dogs, rabbits kill snakes---but as a matter of general rule?Wojciech Żełaniechttp://www.wnswz.strony.univ.gda.pl/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-48374551126701857382009-04-18T21:40:00.000+00:002009-04-18T21:40:00.000+00:00"We'd prefer you not to have sex, but if ..."We'd prefer you not to have sex, but if you are going to, please use a condom"?, Why the RCC won't say that?<br /><br /><br />Well, not 'we'd prefer' but 'you must not have (extramarital) sex', this is what that church is saying (to its faithful, only). (Unless in your idiolect 'we'd prefer ... not' means 'you must not..', of course.)<br /><br />Then, you require that it (the RC church) should say: 'OK, if you have extramarital sex, you must/may use condoms'.<br /><br />So it &the church) should be saying, at the same time:<br /><br />1. You must not p;<br />2. If you p, then you must/may q.<br /><br />Do you think that is quite consistent, no matter what 'p' and 'q' stand for?Wojciech Żełaniechttp://www.wnswz.strony.univ.gda.pl/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-77597588698000335162007-12-08T12:17:00.000+00:002007-12-08T12:17:00.000+00:00Well worth listening to - Archbishop Tutu gives hi...Well worth listening to - Archbishop Tutu gives his 'take' on this subject pretty succintly on the Radio 4 Podcast:<BR/>'Radio 4 Choice, November 30th - <BR/>Michael Buerk reports on the divide over homosexuality in the worldwide Anglican Church. He talks to Archbishop Desmond Tutu, who gives vent to his feelings of shame over homophobia.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-81927935224036046172007-11-05T15:28:00.000+00:002007-11-05T15:28:00.000+00:00Anonymous said:It's intended function is the reaso...Anonymous said:<BR/><BR/>It's intended function is the reason for its construction. If it consistantly fails to function in the desired manner, then the designers have failed.<BR/><BR/>Spencer Silver from 3M was trying to design a super adhesive. Instead what he created was what is now called a post-it note. Is that a failure? <BR/><BR/>My point is that a product or service can have multiple results. Take coca-cola for instance. Here are but some of the results you can get from coke:<BR/><BR/>- It removes gum from your hair<BR/>- Clean ancient coins<BR/>- Remove oil stains from a driveway<BR/>- Power a TV<BR/><BR/>In fact the list goes on forever. Here's the website where I pulled this from:<BR/>http://members.tripod.com/~Barefoot_Lass/cola.html<BR/><BR/>So are we to say that Coca-Cola's only intended use is to drink it, or can it be said that the person's intention with Coca-Cola actually determines what happens?<BR/><BR/>I'd say intention determines the outcome. With the added dimension that if Coca-Cola can not create a result that I want, such as give me wings to fly, then I cannot intend Coca-Cola to give me that result unless it is refined to change my dna somehow.<BR/><BR/>However, if it can give me wings, then I can use that as the intention of Coca-Cola.<BR/><BR/>This is similar to the missle analogy such that if it cannot create the intended result, then it cannot be used based on its intention. If the result gives the intention, then the intention determines the use of the object, given that there are multiple results an object can have.<BR/><BR/>Therefore, if sex has multiple results, then it can have multiple intentions. If it can have multiple intentions, then it is okay to have sex with a condom beacuse it is just giving the same result as having sex without a condom and not having a child.<BR/><BR/>I hope that makes sense...<BR/><BR/>SteveStevie Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10061716238772254463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-9726851607590997142007-08-20T09:37:00.000+00:002007-08-20T09:37:00.000+00:00Stevie, The apple and orange analogy doesn't reall...Stevie, <BR/><BR/>The apple and orange analogy doesn't really fit. An apple was not designed specifically to be an apple. It simply is an apple. Missile systems dont grow on trees. The difference between the two is that with the apple we apply a purpose or a function after it exists. In the case of a missile system, it is built in response to a particular need or are you suggesting that military weapon system designers build something and only then decide what it might be good for?<BR/><BR/>It's intended function is the reason for its construction. If it consistantly fails to function in the desired manner, then the designers have failed.<BR/><BR/>You said <BR/>"It is only until you find a missile that will intercept can you state that I intend this to intercept, or that this orange is an orange." <BR/><BR/>Surely weapon system designers say something like <BR/>"I intend to build a missile interception system."<BR/>If they build something that isn't able to intercept missiles, does that alter the intent for the system?<BR/>Also, if it only successfully intercepts missiles 70% of the time, is it no longer an interception system? - I would say it is, it's just not perfect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-60707139480109226592007-08-17T21:20:00.000+00:002007-08-17T21:20:00.000+00:00stevie b,My goal is not to persuade, but to unders...stevie b,<BR/><I>My goal is not to persuade, but to understand.</I><BR/>Well I don't think you have met that target either.<BR/>I think the idea that sex has different purposes in different situations seems so persuasive to you that you have failed to engage with the alternative viewpoint. That is not to say I would expect you to agree with it, neither do I after all, but I can see how it might make sense from the perspective of somebody who thinks that god is remotely interested in our activities, sexual or otherwise.Psiomniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01102719882200943549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-84607247396062083432007-08-16T16:54:00.000+00:002007-08-16T16:54:00.000+00:00"As in the missile system analogy, the system desi..."As in the missile system analogy, the system designers may have had only one intent for how it should be used. <BR/>If it does not perform this function every time it is used, is this sufficient evidence to suggest that the designers intended other uses?"<BR/><BR/>This would be similar to looking at an apple and stating that it should be an orange. Intention doesn't make an apple an orange. It is only in understanding that the apple is an apple and that you must continue to look for an orange in order to make the statement "This is an orange".<BR/><BR/>In otherwords, the missile is not a missle that intercepts, even though that is the intention. Just like an apple isn't an orange. It is only until you find a missile that will intercept can you state that I intend this to intercept, or that this orange is an orange.Stevie Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07334787381078236738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-89738064391703098012007-08-16T14:38:00.000+00:002007-08-16T14:38:00.000+00:00"Those who believe that god gave us sex as a gift ..."Those who believe that god gave us sex as a gift to be used responsibly will not be persuaded by your arguments." <BR/><BR/>My goal is not to persuade, but to understand. I have a position that I need to understand by seeing how it stands against other thoughts, which is why I stated what I stated.<BR/><BR/>"YOU may have many different intents for sex but catholics are arguing that GOD meant only one intent."<BR/><BR/>My question would be then why did God allow for multiple results if God's intent was to only have one?<BR/><BR/>I can understand God's intent of giving me energy every time I eat food, which happens all the time and never changes, but why have multiple results of something if God's intent was to only have one result?Stevie Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07334787381078236738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-18364910144416363662007-08-16T13:38:00.000+00:002007-08-16T13:38:00.000+00:00Stevie b:I think you are missing my point. I entir...Stevie b:<BR/><BR/>I think you are missing my point. I entirely agree that almost everything has many uses, or can be put to many uses. YOU may have many different intents for sex but <BR/>catholics are arguing that GOD meant only one intent.<BR/><BR/>New life is not created every time people have sex. This is not sufficient evidence to conclude that GOD intended more than one use for sex.<BR/><BR/>As in the missile system analogy, the system designers may have had only one intent for how it should be used. <BR/>If it does not perform this function every time it is used, is this sufficient evidence to suggest that the designers intended other uses?<BR/><BR/>Catholoics are not arguing that sex can only be used for procreation, they are arguing that it should only be used for procreation as that is what GOD intended.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1905686568472747305.post-75991446243676491572007-08-16T00:15:00.000+00:002007-08-16T00:15:00.000+00:00Anonymous,The Catholic position on condoms is real...Anonymous,<BR/><I>The Catholic position on condoms is really odd though. Is it, even by their own standards, morally better to allow many people to die when you can prevent it or allow then to use condoms? <BR/></I><BR/>Well I wonder whether this is a matter of perspective. After all, within the Catholic worldview, the innocent are headed for eternal bliss. They already have to justify so much arbitrary suffering, famine pestilence, tsunami, earthquake. AIDS is just the new kid on the block.Psiomniachttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01102719882200943549noreply@blogger.com